tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post6768831992923461633..comments2024-03-19T16:56:38.565-04:00Comments on Damn Arbor: The Jordan Miller story, part deuxUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-25252677859514367992013-12-29T05:04:56.793-05:002013-12-29T05:04:56.793-05:00Have you folks ever heard the expression
"If...Have you folks ever heard the expression <br />"If you can't Dazzle em with Brilliance, Baffle em with Bulls**t"?<br />I'm guessing that there's more then a little b.s. flying here..<br />Poor, Poor, Baby. As far as being an innocent guy being slandered by a conniving B**ch... I highly..highly..doubt it.<br />I remember starting a job..The very first day this very good looking guy was running off at the mouth about his horrible wife..who got the kids and the house and he had to pay child care and alimony...Blah, blah. My friend walked up to him and sympathetically placed her hand on his arm..<br />Looking into his eyes..she said as sincerely as she could muster "Not all women are like that". I was dumbfounded!!<br />I smirked at him! "Some of us are!" and walked away!<br />I said to her later...He could be an alcoholic, He could have been abusive to her and the kids. We don't know him from Adam. It's a hell of a leap to imagine we know what went on in their lives! and I stand by it!Groinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04122592522195976997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-11169595723187871022013-11-16T22:34:00.561-05:002013-11-16T22:34:00.561-05:00Neither party deserves to have been so blessed wit...Neither party deserves to have been so blessed with this child. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17289726950344078546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-1613325055243269612012-12-22T12:51:13.267-05:002012-12-22T12:51:13.267-05:00I'm the opposite, I can understand legalistic ...I'm the opposite, I can understand legalistic revenge and public airing of laundry over lying. Personal quirks I guess.<br /><br />Lying perverts one's own, and others, ability to know the world. The possibility of revenge, and the knowledge of cases in which it has been carried out, is a thing which keeps people considerate and society functioning. Granted, it can definitely go overboard (Hatfields and McCoys), but so can the repercussions of lying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-12046320255965105912012-12-22T12:50:03.048-05:002012-12-22T12:50:03.048-05:00(*&^(^ refreshing of the page for the captcha....(*&^(^ refreshing of the page for the captcha.<br /><br />This response belonged elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-53380171820618977912012-12-22T12:47:56.510-05:002012-12-22T12:47:56.510-05:00I'm the opposite, I can understand legalistic ...I'm the opposite, I can understand legalistic revenge and public airing of laundry over lying. Personal quirks I guess.<br /><br />Lying perverts one's own, and others, ability to know the world. The possibility of revenge, and the knowledge of cases in which it has been carried out, is a thing which keeps people considerate and society functioning. Granted, it can definitely go overboard (Hatfields and McCoys), but so can the repercussions of lying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-73364118275401878272012-12-13T17:54:15.142-05:002012-12-13T17:54:15.142-05:00Perhaps that is the policy in your department, but...Perhaps that is the policy in your department, but in the IT area, we rarely request transcripts or check with the degree-granting institution. The hiring process is cumbersome enough as it is. Adding another time-consuming step would make timely hiring just about impossible.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04994793595029646620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-63376768528520024112012-12-13T14:47:39.295-05:002012-12-13T14:47:39.295-05:00I work at the U and submitted both a copy of my tr...I work at the U and submitted both a copy of my transcript and a copy of my diploma when I applied, as did my coworkers. Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16084296976845882227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-74384030358519360752012-12-13T13:59:48.306-05:002012-12-13T13:59:48.306-05:00Also, were going to delete the comments that reall...Also, were going to delete the comments that really don't say anything beyond personal insults; they don't add to the discussion. Ben Connor Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193673795454832674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-68492897656670299962012-12-13T12:10:17.882-05:002012-12-13T12:10:17.882-05:00So, we don't really have comment guidelines on...So, we don't really have comment guidelines on Damn Arbor, and I really don't want to make them. Still, there have been some unnecessarily hurtful things said here, which I'm not cool with. And since it's my website, I can do what I want. So for now I'm just disabling anonymous commenting. Hopefully this is just temporary. Ben Connor Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193673795454832674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-3937259362780381452012-12-13T11:30:17.810-05:002012-12-13T11:30:17.810-05:00And what about innocent victims, like Jordan and D...And what about innocent victims, like Jordan and Dan Miller's SON, who have to live with the consequences of how this played out?<br /><br />Have some compassion for him. He does not benefit from this going viral in the press and online. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-30193679997039235382012-12-13T11:29:40.530-05:002012-12-13T11:29:40.530-05:00Really? You've got someone who was a solid em...Really? You've got someone who was a solid employee for five years with no problems in a complex job that really shockingly difficult and you'd just say "bye" over misrepresenting themselves on a resume?<br /><br />She quit, I expect she would've been disciplined not fired had she not. <br /><br />Added to which her education not her degree is the important part of this situation and she and the hiring manager may have even discussed this. Not everything is always black and white (and this case certainly isn't.)ainmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04710792417500781559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-82110343662174287522012-12-13T11:14:59.783-05:002012-12-13T11:14:59.783-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-20395908000364251352012-12-13T11:14:07.101-05:002012-12-13T11:14:07.101-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-37167629353841028272012-12-13T11:11:53.086-05:002012-12-13T11:11:53.086-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-35102395811400610802012-12-13T09:41:45.984-05:002012-12-13T09:41:45.984-05:00Michigan absolutely does not. Michigan absolutely does not. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-77715043699383998892012-12-13T09:07:55.632-05:002012-12-13T09:07:55.632-05:00Most schools require you to send a transcript with...Most schools require you to send a transcript with your application for even non-academic professional jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-1474815806518869192012-12-13T09:05:39.650-05:002012-12-13T09:05:39.650-05:00I think all we truly know is that there was a cust...I think all we truly know is that there was a custody case, he thinks she lied about him, and she lied on the resume. Beyond that is merely speculation and possibly a rush to judgment (on either side), unless one of the case lawyers or divorce court judge is on this thread.<br /><br />And how are the insinuations of "stalker" etc. any different than the use of the word "pathological liar" beyond the fact that the ex-husband has at least the personal experience to offer such a judgment?(As to whether or not it is an honest one, I have no idea - it may be a flat out lie of opportunism. I write this not to suggest the husband is telling the truth but rather to point out that you are making a judgment based more on your own biases than any real evidence.)<br /><br />The person I feel for in this case is the kid caught in an ugly custody battle between two people who seem to despise one another. Having parents who went through an acrimonious divorce (but thankfully are on far better terms now) I know exactly how stressful and upsetting that is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-38661003501617832902012-12-13T07:49:11.439-05:002012-12-13T07:49:11.439-05:00It does matter why she was outed. It seems to me ...It does matter why she was outed. It seems to me that getting the University and the local media to take part in your petty, and seemingly crazy, vengeance is an important part of the story. This was never really about the University or doing the "right" thing -- it was an unhinged guy who had lost control of his life and is using any weapons he has to get back at the person he blames for it. As an institution, do you want to be complicit in that? And would you want this guy working on computers in your department? <br /><br />I don't know a thing about these people aside from what he's put out there and what a couple quick searches tells me (a lot, actually) but it's pretty easy to understand someone who makes a resume saying "degree expected May whenever" as they go out looking for a first job, getting the job, failing a class and then being stuck with that and after a few years moving up the job ladder deciding that it doesn't really matter. Someone seizing on that fact with outsized righteousness and publicizing and defending their own "good deed" is much harder to understand. Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-34455121818291941842012-12-13T06:53:22.895-05:002012-12-13T06:53:22.895-05:00@Ben, mission accomplished IMO.
@Erika, thanks! ...@Ben, mission accomplished IMO.<br /><br />@Erika, thanks! I've been lurking about in the past. I just don't usually post because I'm a little post-averse in the current gig. ;-)Jim Cartyhttp://papertigernomore.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-12733136450625813192012-12-13T01:24:30.060-05:002012-12-13T01:24:30.060-05:00Jim Carty, welcome!Jim Carty, welcome!Erika Josthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319300496302140670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-73242102101525073162012-12-12T23:53:48.280-05:002012-12-12T23:53:48.280-05:00Thanks Jim,
That was my hope with this second art...Thanks Jim,<br /><br />That was my hope with this second article on the subject. Honestly I was feeling a little guilty for how quickly I rushed the first one out and I wanted to at least give people the tools they needed to dig a little deeper themselves. Ben Connor Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193673795454832674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-2875334922986386432012-12-12T22:44:29.844-05:002012-12-12T22:44:29.844-05:00Doesn't matter why she was outed.
She lied to...Doesn't matter why she was outed.<br /><br />She lied to her employer on a job application. She got caught. She had to go. Period.<br /><br />For any job, there are many people who can do it and do it well. In a lot of cases, getting the job is about being the right fit. Part of being the right fit is being a person who can be trusted and can represent the university. She obviously is not that person.<br /><br />You think U-M couldn't find somebody as qualified as her -- or more qualified, given her flimsy resume -- as social media director? Of course it can.<br /><br />And by the way, her explanation of the lie also lacks credibility. Nobody makes an "honest mistake" in forgetting whether they really graduated from college and makes an error like that on their resume by accident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-84197460793756997092012-12-12T22:08:44.393-05:002012-12-12T22:08:44.393-05:00"That said, I feel like everyone who reported..."That said, I feel like everyone who reported this should have dug a little deeper. "<br /><br />Well said and worth thinking about.<br /><br />The current mashup of media and social media places an emphasis on superficial identification of interesting issues and conflicts, but places very little value on a deliberative reporting to give a fuller picture.<br /><br />The first wave of "reporting" on this was almost gleeful "gotcha" about reddit "catching" someone in the wrong. There really hasn't been much second wave - much recognition that this is a more complex and troubling story than it seemed at first impression, so I give damnarbor credit for being among the few that identify the complicated aspect of things.<br /><br />Yeah, Jordan Miller made a mistake. That much appears clear.<br /><br />But I'll tell you this, I can understand Jordan Miller's mistake a lot more than I can understand the guy who exposed that mistake and everything he's done subsequently. Jim Cartyhttp://papertigernomore.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-78618857873970643092012-12-12T16:07:53.863-05:002012-12-12T16:07:53.863-05:00In total agreement. When parents say the kid reall...In total agreement. When parents say the kid really wants to be with them and therefore there was no abuse...well, so what? One does not prove the other for all of the reasons that you say.Teacherpattihttp://palateofpatti.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2281014352729737607.post-44703052007350593282012-12-12T16:05:00.382-05:002012-12-12T16:05:00.382-05:00Anonymous, you still haven't answered why he w...Anonymous, you still haven't answered why he wouldn't just report it to UM and let it go at that. I'm not ignorant of the on-line world and I'm definitely not ignorant of how custody games are played. There is a lot of anger behind his posts and I have to wonder what he did to prove her lies in court. Did he persue perjury charges? Did he follow up on this alleged false police report? (Maybe he did, I don't know). My point is that I don't see the relevance of all of the additional information that he felt compelled to provide. It reminds me of an old lawyer's adage: however much you love her/him today is how much you may hate her/him tomorrow.<br /><br />And yes, his support payments will go up because previously they used her $100k salary in the formula and now it will be $0. The only thing that he can do is to impute income to her; that is, to say that she should be earning xxx amount. But given that she only has a high school diploma (right?), she likely won't be found to be a high wage earner. It really depends on the lawyers involved and how persuasive they are. TeacherPattihttp://palateofpatti.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com